A totally awesome Occupy Sacto video!

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A totally awesome Occupy Sacto video!

Postby GaryRobertHarris » Thu Nov 17, 2024 12:41 pm

Hello brothers and sisters!

A member of Occupy Sacramento, Andrew, made this video for us on Youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZPB7IRqjNY , or search "Why we occupy?" with the filter set for "uploaded this week". Please check out this video and get him some viewership so he will make more!


Occupy Sacramento!
GET SOME!

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Re: A totally awesome Occupy Sacto video!

Postby Bob » Fri Nov 18, 2024 9:01 am

I actually take issue with the fact that not a single person in this video is female, that is a problem and therefore this video does not represent me. It is important that we engage all facets of our population. This is one of the reasons why OS has problems getting bodies down at the park and why donations are drying up. The culture at the park projects one of "isms." I'm not saying that everyone down there thinks like that, but enough do that it leaves visitors feeling icky. Seriously, if you are not conscious of these problems, then that is the biggest problem you have. The occupy movement is about eradicating "isms" because they are the tool of the powerful to oppress the labor in this country. Remember that.
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Re: A totally awesome Occupy Sacto video!

Postby GaryRobertHarris » Wed Nov 30, 2024 5:09 pm

I myself have a problem that not one female was present or willing to help with the documentary on either of the two occasions Andrew was filming. I also have issues with how many nights I slept in a lawn chair or on cold grass and on average women and African-Americans made up less than 10% of the people "occupying".

If the bodies and voices aren't there or weren't willing/available to help at the time of filming than this short clip did represent "us". Currently and in our short history this has been a problem.

I do think that rather than offer this wasted criticism you could have compiled a list of willing female interviewees who would like to be interviewed and with very little effort contacted the producer of the video and offered content for a more representative video. For my part I am not interested in boy or girl parts, I'm interested in ideas. Did you feel unrepresented by the ideas in the film? If so your issue is valid, if not than "my problem" is with people willing to waste time on sexist crap rather than producing something.

Have a great day!
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Re: A totally awesome Occupy Sacto video!

Postby Bob » Thu Dec 01, 2024 8:36 pm

Fascinating response. It is interesting that you are blaming women and minority groups for not being present when I know from talking to various people who were a big part of OS in the beginning, ended up feeling alienated by the group that came to dominate the park for just such attitudes. That argument is much like the argument made in Plessy Vs. Ferguson, where the chief justice believed that if African Americans felt inferior it was not because of the racist behavior but because they ALLOWED it to make them feel that way. Think about that.
It feels like you are being defensive because you are investing so much time into the occupation. That is totally understandable and you're probably correct that that video totally represents who is down there at the park or out in front of city hall. Now think about that. Why do you think that there are not more women and minorities in the park and out in front of city hall? Perhaps they do not feel welcome? Perhaps this movement is not really about oppressed people in general, but merely about the middle class, white, male population feeling what the rest of us have been feeling for centuries. There I said it.
And trust me, I was there, I did do outreach, which involved finding under represented people to join OS. That is how I know that many women and minorities did not feel welcome down there. All of you guys are kidding yourselves if you think that you are flawless. I am tired I being told that people who didn't feel welcomed and said something about it were being 'Divisive." Perhaps ignoring problems is divisive, I'm just saying. Perhaps if you guys figured out why women and minorities don't feel represented by you and tried to remedy that then more women and minorities would sit in with you? I don't know, just a thought.
I also think it's interesting that you criticized me for complaining about the video. You implied that I should shut up and do something about it. Well, I "do something about it" everyday of my life. Pointing out the problem is part of "doing something about it." Kinda like you guys sitting in lawn chairs in front of city hall with signs pointing out what's wrong with our country is pointing out a problem. But obviously you don't see that connection, much like you don't seem to see the connection between the lack of female presence and your own sexism.
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Re: A totally awesome Occupy Sacto video!

Postby Ari » Thu Dec 01, 2024 10:11 pm

GaryRobertHarris wrote:I myself have a problem that not one female was present or willing to help with the documentary on either of the two occasions Andrew was filming. I also have issues with how many nights I slept in a lawn chair or on cold grass and on average women and African-Americans made up less than 10% of the people "occupying".

[b] The womyn, including the four former rotating leaders and founders of the Sacramento Occupy's Community and Outreach Committee, were pushed away. As a former Comm and Outreach member who spent countless hours in the field talking with people, generating that necessary critical mass to come occupy and educate one another, I got first hand stories of the discrimination. Of the countless womyn and minorities who were pushed out as much as possible. In fact, there was a womyn who was the brains behind the former committee and it helped open my eyes a bit more personally when the majority of core members began coming to me rather than her for comm and outreach requests and collaboration, believing I was in fact spearheading the committee (alone and as the one facilitator.)
Not sure what's so important about singling out "African Americans" (first generation immigrants from a country on the African continent? no?) You've got some big melting pot in Sacramento. Probably some 45-50 ethnicities, and that's no exaggeration. I'm not understanding why you'd point out "African-Americans." But I'm not being smart with you. Go ahead and explain what you mean so we can all better understand what you mean.
As for "occupying." Occupy as an educated critical mass that on the flip side acts in close knit affinity groups (and sometimes as a large mass as well, of course) to bring about direct change. There's multiple ways of doing so that have yet to be used and were mentioned by quite a few womyn formerly of occupy sac. A lot of the ideas have there source with those womyn.
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If the bodies and voices aren't there or weren't willing/available to help at the time of filming than this short clip did represent "us". Currently and in our short history this has been a problem.

It became a problem within Sac Occupy's short history. Not the other way around.

I do think that rather than offer this wasted criticism you could have compiled a list of willing female interviewees who would like to be interviewed and with very little effort contacted the producer of the video and offered content for a more representative video. For my part I am not interested in boy or girl parts, I'm interested in ideas. Did you feel unrepresented by the ideas in the film? If so your issue is valid, if not than "my problem" is with people willing to waste time on sexist crap rather than producing something.

It's a waste to become defensive and personally attack a person making a valid point with hopes of opening dialogue on a most important issue. The properties of any society or government is half people, half ideas. All other things are like the machinery we work that can't run on their own. Our property isn't society or government... nationality. It's people and then their ideas. Discrimination involves people at (socially constructed) basic levels that can not and should not be changed. This issue is therefore paramount as it deals with our most basic and necessary first step. Bob is the one doing the right thing pointing out the truth and opening up dialogue for those that are capable to participate in. Your response, in fact, everything that all people say are examples of themselves. What kind of example are you making of yourself by calling a person's intelligent comment "wasted 'criticism'?"
By the way, Bob also acted as an example of herself by being productive during occupy. She produced a shit ton of what we needed when we needed it with no sitting around or passing tasks off to other people. Just constant action. And again, "sexist crap" is fundamentally important to avoiding the problems we're facing.


Have a great day!

Ridiculous.


I haven't passed judgment on you, just on what you wrote. An example of your then state. With no bridge to burn, but an issue burning, hopefully you'll build the other half of the bridge to match Bob's half and one to match mine.
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